In Too Deep
We explore how changemakers across the globe are engaging complexity to tackle tough issues. Created by the team at Kumu.io
In Too Deep
Latest Episodes
Centering actors and behavior in systems change efforts
What does it take to map a system in a way that will actually lead to change? Traditional models can make change look like a straight line from input to impact, but real systems rarely work that way. In this episode, Jeff Mohr talks...
Reimagining the future through systems change | Episode 16
What happens after the systems map is complete? An increasing number of organizations understand the value of engaging with complexity, but the challenge comes when, after doing systems analysis, people fall back into the usual plan-control-imp...
The systems behind the symptoms | Episode 15
What if the real problem isn’t what we think it is? When simple solutions don’t actually move the needle, it’s often a sign we’re treating symptoms, not systems. In this episode, Jeff Mohr talks with Matt Healey, founder of First Person Consult...
Creating new patterns for learning and leading | Episode 14
What patterns are shaping how we learn, lead, and live, and how might we begin to shift them? In this week’s episode, we’re joined by Jessica Kiessel from (Re)Patterning Lab. Jessica stewards spaces and builds infrastructure to support the lear...
The way of the forest: Supporting ecosystems with a nature-inspired lens | Episode 13
In this episode we’re joined by Santiago Bunce, founder of Via Bosque, a company that helps clients achieve transformative change by integrating leadership tools with nature-inspired principles. Santiago shares his unique perspective on buildin...